As everyone knows, I'm currently on a 12-step "Future Philadelphian" program, and right now, I'm on Step 4, which is "Listening to
Sid Mark's Sinatra program".
So I attempted to listen this morning via WPHT's Internet stream, and to my chagrin, I receive a looped message saying "Sounds of Sinatra" cannot
be heard on their Internet stream, and to listen, I should tune to 1210 AM.
Does anyone know why exactly 1210 does not simulcast the Sinatra programming on their Internet feed? Is it because of the royalties? If so, I would find that
hard to believe, since I would imagine they had to be covered for all the ASCAP/BMI stuff based on the samples of songs heard on 1210's regular talk
programming (the hosts' theme songs, etc.). Aren't CBS' stations covered collectively for those fees, regardless of format?
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Posts: 3001 (Sun, 29-Jun-2008 11:46 AM) |
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Posts: 524 (Sun, 29-Jun-2008 12:48 PM) |
A few weeks ago, I logged on to the stream for WPHT because I wanted to hear Sid Mark. I got the same message.
Has that show ever been available online?
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Posts: 7 (Sun, 29-Jun-2008 1:08 PM) |
Streaming Sinatra would put WPHT in violation of the 1995 Digital Rights in Sound Recordings Act.
To paraphrase from page 8: Content Restrictions. Webcasters may not play in any three hour period more than three songs from one recording, and no more than two such selections can be played in a row. Additionally, the webcaster may not play in any three-hour period more than four songs from one artist, and no more than three in a row of an artist's box set. PDF with legal mumbo jumbo here |
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Posts: 869 (Sun, 29-Jun-2008 2:30 PM) |
1977 beat me to it, though I thought somewhere I'd heard ("I'd heard", meaning the information could be erroneous) terrestrial stations as
usual got some kind of a free pass in this department.
Do other shows that feature one artist ("Breakfast With The Beatles", etc.) do the same thing? What about all of the stations that carry Orange's syndicated Sid Mark Sinatra show? Do they need to yank the show from their streams? CA Joe, can you shed any light here? The WPHT stream loop-message should definitively tell would-be listeners WHY the show cannot be aired; the announcement should most certainly blame Big Music and the laws themselves so that no one casts blame on the station. This is just one of many, many troubles facing Streamers! that needs to be addressed-- and the sooner the better. Big Radio needs to stop wasting time fighting threatless XM and Sirius and touting "HD" Radio-- THESE are the kinds of things Terrestrial needs to address. Impossible royalties (not just ASCAP/BMI/SESAC, but RIAA as well), the nonsense with AFTRA talent on spots, growing sentiment among moronic Americans regarding First Amendment-violating regulations for the Internet, etc. In the meantime, I haven't DX-ed in years, and certainly not from New York since IBOC. Can you guys get 1210 up there (in the daytime, anyway) as well as we get your 50,000-watt stations here (which is pretty lousy since IBOC ruined everything)? If not that's a shame, at least for Sid Mark's show-- which I know millions outside Philadelphia would most certainly enjoy. 
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Posts: 2185 (Sun, 29-Jun-2008 8:08 PM) |
Several stations, including here stream the "Sounds of Sinatra."
The situation is this. First, the show is done live in Philadelphia with different commercials (mostly, if not all, local) and because Sid gets paid directly from CBS on that version, his syndicated show is filled with national spots, of which he and son Brian get the entire thing. As a result, Sid doesn't stream the Philly show to keep it open nationwide for all the stations that carry him to stream him if they want ... since he collects all of the national revenue. There would also be a problem with AFTRA in Philly, requiring that local spots on the show be covered and it's "a hassle" because of the lack of "quality sponsors" available on the stream, anyway, since he can just as soon stream his national sponsors, but chooses not do, as he loses the benefit of any buys in Philly. Plus, it keeps sponsors buying a national buy with both large and small stations, so as to not allow influence by WPHT in all those states where the 1210 takes the show, especially on Friday night and early Sunday. Since Sid makes good bucks from WPHT, he is able to afford production costs at the studio / duplicator to do it while collecting some nice coin from the national sponsors. As to syndication on the Internet .... while 1977 and George are both correct from a true "webcaster" perspective -- those are the rules by the RIAA & Sound Exchange, the rules are different for terrestrial radio. AS long as a "program" is a 100% clear simulcast of the terrestrial signal with no different spots in the stream than what's going on the terrestrial air, we are able to simulcast the show on the air and on the Internet, provided it is at the exact same time. Remember, too, that the syndicated version only two hours, not three ... thus avoiding another one of the quirky "don't play more than so many songs by an artists" rules. Since the licensing of terrestrial stations choosing to stream is built-in to their monthly ASCAP, BMI & Sesac "blanket license," all we do is pay the "perscentage" fee each month and are not held to a separate Internet royalty (for now) as the show is an exact simulcast with the air signal. If, however, we decided to run the show on, say Friday night, and on the Internet stream, say, in place of what is on the air, we would then be subject to separate licensing as a webcaster. Same if we ran that showor any music programming on the stream in place of, say, Giants baseball. To avoid that, we don't carry the Giants on the Internet (because MLB won't let us,) and we don't want to run music programming in place of what is on the air, so, we leave the space blank online during the game. If we were to run some kind of talk programming, we would still have to pay licensing just to stream on the Internet (separate from our monthly music licensing fee,) and it's not worth it, whether we ran music or not. It's fairly cheap, but still a requirement. For as little as we would use it to fill in the blanks, it's not worth the trouble. We do stream the Sinatra show, as does Fresno, Carlylse, PA, Honolulu and a couple other statoins.
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